Industrial 3-phase welders for home use!

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DaveKamp
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Industrial 3-phase welders for home use!

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Hey all-

For any of you interested in getting a really good welder, for dirt-cheap, it is very possible to run many 3-phase welders off of single phase power, at full output and duty cycle.

Peter Haas and I came up with a conversion technique that I experimented with and proved on the Miller CP-200, the Miller SRH-333, and others over the last three years. I did the first H-K conversion on a CP-200, and after testing it, I moved onto other machines, and for some silly reason, I traded the pilot machine off for (of all things) A TRACTOR.

Well, I liked the CP-200 so much, I found another one... and brought it home. I've had so many inquiries about my original writeup (which was really more of a blog), that I decided it was time to do a little better job of documenting the process, at least for the CP-200. Last weekend, I did just that- I converted my CP, and while doing it, documented each step, and included helpful hints in the document. Hopefully, the document will attach...
CP-200 Single-Phase Step-By-Step.pdf
Miller CP-200 Single-Phase conversion by Haas-Kamp
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Re: Industrial 3-phase welders for home use!

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Dave,you don't give up very easy......didn't ole Franz tell you this couldn't be done? :lol:

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Re: Industrial 3-phase welders for home use!

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Does this also work for a bridgeport mill?
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Here is what my Bridgeport and lathe run off,
http://phase-a-matic.com/StaticDescription.htm

Works like a million bucks!

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Re: Industrial 3-phase welders for home use!

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Hi Shorty!

The H-K conversion only applies to three-phase welding transformers, but I have been pondering other possibilities.

For a Bridgeport, or any other power tools, a Rotary Phase Converter or a Variable Frequency Drive are the best solutions.

I have and use both, but my preference for ANY spindle drive... be it a lathe, milling machine, drill, even planers, shapers, and saws, is to have a VFD driving the cutting motor. They're easy and inexpensive if you do your homework... and you get full 3-phase power output, full authority speed, accelleration, and motor protection, plus adjustable dynamic braking, plug reversal... anything you can imagine in a motor control system... all in one neat little box. Many can run off of single-phase power (although some aren't documented as such) while others will absolutely NOT run off single phase... and some can be 'fooled' to run on single.

I've set up both of my BP heads (one is on a Johannsen radial drill) with VFDs. The Johannsen uses a common 2hp three-phase motor, and instead of the step-belt arrangement, I use just a 3:1 underdriven tooth-belt system, so when the spindle is turning 2000rpm, the motor's turning 6000! I can twist a 3/4" tap in half with this setup... and with the drill chuck spinning at full speed, I can stop the bit in under 3 turns... it's a beast.

Here's a cheat-sheet I made for some VFDs that're commonly-available on the used-pull-out market:
Allen-Bradley 1336S series
1336SGEN.pdf
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Allen-Bradley 1305 series
1305GEN.pdf
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And a diagram of my homemade pushbutton-start Rotary Phase Converter
DKRpc.pdf
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Keep in mind that a rotary phase converter can be incredibly simple- just a 2-pole hand operated switch, an old 3-phase motor, and a piece of rope... but you can go fancy and make it self-starting and protected like mine... or buy one commercially like Mike's.

There's benefits to each plan, so you get to choose!
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