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I'm looking for the PPG paint code for "IH 935 white" in their Shop-Line brand. I have a Du Pont dealer close too but I have all the other additives for the PPG paint already. I do not have an IH dealer anywhere near me. I had the PPG dealer mix up a cross from the Du Pont code 59664 but it is too white and not correct. Thanks.

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Todd......i had to dust off my chart. When the economy hit the fan....i had no income.....but I had lots of time to paint. Now I have work....and no paint. I guess I'm never happy :lol:
935 = 91607 in ppg.
I have an IH dealer ship to my house. 991116r1 quart. Nice stuff.

Maybe it's more of a delivery service that they offer.....idk.
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Thanks Dave. That was the number I took to my PPG supply house (91607) and he tells me that number doesn't come up in his system and it didn't matter if I changed lines within their brand. Today I took in a NOS mule drive so he could check it with his magic camera and match it but he was having trouble matching with that and asked me if I could leave that piece there for a day or 2 while he tried to match me some up. I also gave him the IH #991116R but that wasn't any good in his system either. I would think with todays technology this should be pretty simple to resolve.

I have heard a lot of good things on the IH paint but I don't want to buy more reducer and thinner if my PPG stuff won't work with it.

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I stumbled on this by accident. Im kinda even reluctant to say.......rustoleum almond in the qt cans is a dead nuts ringer for 935. I dont think u said what u r painting..... I started using it just for some old decks and blades and found it to b perfect. I thin and mix hardner in it and it comes out like glass. For $8 bucks worth a try. Just for the record.....im very picky on color matching and would not b sharing if it was "pretty close". Let us know how and what your doing.
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Dave, I'm painting a Haban 374 deck. I would post some pics but I'm having problems doing that. Thanks for the heads up on the Rust-Oleum paint. I'll keep you posted on my progress and what the PPG dealer says.

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Cool.....i did one of mine several years ago. This mows 3 acres every week and I don't think there is one chip or wear spot. When u get to assembly....i have a neat idea we can discuss.
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I think I have a pretty close match. Here is the new PPG Shop-Line paint up against a NOS mule drive I have. It looks closer than this pic from the way the light was hitting it.
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I'm having trouble posting more than one pic in a post.
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Looks ...ok. Looks like u could have done a little more sanding and prep work on the deck Todd! I dont see a shine.. did u get ..flat? Oh boy........ :?
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:lol: No ...looks great! I was just messin w u. I dont know u that well...or i would have left that over night :lol:
NOS mule for a Haban?...good deal! Me too...i think i got mine on ebay a few years back for like $70 or something...i was tickled! I wont ever use it though.
Keep the pics comming.....I think u r doing somthing wrong or out of order. Dont use upload attachment....
Choose file..
click on your pic
then add file
then it will load
then place in line
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Did u add the support blocks on the rear wheel brackets? I dont think any of mine have those
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Dave, I did not add those to the deck. I did a little welding on the lift bracket and will add the 4" rear supports as others have done to the back edge. What did you do on yours?

Still have problems loading pics....all I show is the "upload attachment" tab. Where is the "choose fill" at? TIA

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dag1450 wrote:rustoleum almond in the qt cans is a dead nuts ringer for 935.
What models does this color fit?
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Todd...i can't say I have done any mods other than how I hang the beast this past spring. U can see that at "hanging the haban". The one I totally redone I just did a couple welds and filled a couple pits with bondo. This one in the pic needs a couple welds as well on the side rails and the back tail guide bracket.
Everyone has there own ideas......but when u take old cub stuff apart u learn that rust is a problem. When I have been rebuilding decks and other tractor stuff..any time I "sandwich" steel together I coat both surfaces with grease and coat all bolts heads washers everything that is touching each other. Once together I wipe any off that mushed out. It hurts to cover the stiffness plate on the 44 and 50c deck.....but it sure feels good once your all done and using it in harsh conditions...lol.
Paul....i think 935 went from quiet line to the last steel hood models
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If not too hard....tell me about this hanger mod? Not sure I have seen this one u mentioned.... :shock:
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Sorry...yes in the upload attachment file
Gray box below click "choose file" then select your pic...then the next gray box u click will b "add the file". That should put the pics on the page so u can place them in your story. Then I click on "place in line"
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This is what I started with.
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Then 2 coats of PPG 2k primer.
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I'm going to do the rear supports tomorrow and some more bead blasting and painting......more pics to come. :D

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Sweet....Did u bondo the whole top level.. like where the spindles bolt on? I wanted to but chickened out for fear of pop out later in life. I also had some pitting up top there and did about a dozen of the deepest ones on top.... still holding strong after 3 years or more. I wonder....do those rear wheel bracket blocks look factory? i have 3 of the 60" decks and none have those "blocks". If its like the 401 blades...they seem to have made subtle changes along the way.
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Dave, no I tried not to spread any bondo near where the spindles are for the same reason you didn't. I hope this one holds up as well as yours. Those brackets look factory to me. I know one of my others is just like yours without them and I have another in the barn I need to look at today to see if it has them. The serial number on this one is 885887 so I guess that it was built in 1988?

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Todd - Great looking work there! Another way to protect that nice deck is to scrape the grass out each time after use. It is a bit of a hassle, but nothing rusts decks like putting them away with wet grass smushed up inside. I have a couple of wood blocks I screwed together that I drive the rear wheels onto and raise the deck as high as possible. I have a plastic ice scraper that I cut down and I spend about 5 minutes getting the worst of it out.

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Regarding 935 white, I'm in agreement with Dave about the Rust-oleum Almond being very close if not a spot on match. Alongside a factory painted part I can't tell the difference myself.
I have been using it as a replacement paint in the air spray cans for over 20 years and like the results. The improved formula revised from back about seven years ago dries much faster and harder. Parts are dry to the touch in less than an hour. The old formula used to take a week to set and harden, no so anymore.
Some folks have stated previously that the Rust-oleum Antique White is a closer match however I can't sat I agree with that.
On a plus note, it is easy to obtain, priced way better than the stuff from CCC, and holds up very well. I'll stay with the Almond.

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I don't seem to get a good shine with rattle can stuff but I'm thinking you probably didn't get a mirrored shine with the factory paint job either to be correct.

Dave, what did you use to thin the paint and what hardener did you use? The PPG stuff was about $40/quart + hardener and thinner. I think I'll only use about 1/2 of the quart but I'll have a little over a quart of the epoxy primer and probably a half o quart of 2k primer in this sucker. Dang, that adds up when I do that. :oops:

I have another question also. Were the front caster mounting assembly, casters and pins anodized or were they coated some other way? I know I could just spray them with paint, and probably will, but I wonder if I can have them recoated?

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Yea it adds up quick and like u said....for most people the left overs end up going bad before u feel like taking on another project. I'm thinking u r asking ...for a future project.....cause I would hate to see u try to change mid stream.
The good news is I used all ppg products ...the bad news....i developed this by playing Frankenstein with leftovers :lol:
I don't know the part numbers off hand...well what's sad is i kinda do...but I will confirm with pic later today. I really could not ask for anything better for attachments.....it shines, hard but not too hard, dries fast, color is perfect and it's cheap. All that said.....i guess why I'm saying attachments only is cause if redoing a tractor....i want to say with confidence that ih paint was used for the paint job :roll:
Looking good. Do u always have a painting project going or is this deck kinda a one off? Cause what I found most rewarding was my paint booth.....but that will b another time
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I like painting tractors. I can't stand painting the house or anything in it. :lol: I hope to be building a shop this year and I plan on putting some type of booth in it.

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I had a whole big long thing typed up....and lost it :x
This is the condensed version. Enter at your own risk! I don't know the science behind how or why it works but I have used this formula over a dozen times
8 - rustoleum protective enamel (almond or black)
1 - hardner
1 - activator
Acetone or mineral spirits as needed
This ppg essential line is a urethane line for heavy duty fleet type equipment i think. Very nice but to pricey for tractor attachments. Ppg says once bottles r open they r good for 14 days....i found them to last for months if carful sealing is taken...idk
On my mixing cup I would use the oz. Scale and a full batch might look like this.
16oz paint, 2oz hard, 2oz act., 2 - 4 oz acetone
I recommend and aways do small scale test using a syringe. My last project was for my Kubota using their paint and they have no hardner ...so I had to play w that too.
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:lol: wife is making me paint the bedroom this month. Did the touch up spackle this summer, painted ceiling last weekend, got the wall paint yesterday. U r right....this project is painful and it can't end fast enough. All the cut in is going to kill me :cry:
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Maybe someone else has a hardner that has worked in rustoleum protective enamel?? Let us know. I have another enamel hardner from ppg sitting on the shelf....if I get some time today....i might try to break out the "eye dropper". Im thinking it won't work..... rustoleum is a modified oil enamel..or alkyd. This hardner is for acrylic......idk... maybe I won't bother
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Just did some digging....valspar 4625 hardner looks like an easier hardner for rustoleum than my stuff. Like I said....my started as leftovers from another project.
I just googled rustoleum enamel hardner and after a few forums...and different sites I checked Amazon for reviews. Lots of people use this in rustoleum enamel with good results.
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