1811 back from the dead

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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby dag1450 » Fri May 05, 2017 3:50 pm

Wow....that's a great offer Joe. I hope that works out for him!
What kind of show is this Joe? Get some pics for us..... :beer:
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby JMotuzick » Sat May 06, 2017 4:43 am

We do 3 shows a year at the old Zagray homestead. Big flea market for old iron, the "sand box" is about 2 acres for all the bigger toys, mostly cable. The sawmill is the oldest in the state with a 54" circular blade. Our newest attraction houses old
Engines, we are working on a 22 ton 4 cyl. Fairbanks and a 6 cylinder atlas both from the 20's. For more info http://www.qvea.org. This is all I have in my phone, check out the web site for more info/pic!
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby eplummer » Thu May 11, 2017 9:54 am

Sorry I missed the show! I will make it to one someday!
Swapping some external components from the seized m18 to the new to me m18. I need some help, specifically with the fuel pump/gasket. Looking at the manual diagram it shows a gasket with a rectangular shaped cutout.( KH-52-041-17)

I don't think this was present when I swapped it over. Although I was expecting to see one I didn't look at the diagram until after I had done the swap. The fuel pump looks like it may be newer than original, was there a design change in these pumps that would eliminate the need for this gasket? Or...if this gasket should have been there and if had been missing would it contribute to the massive amount of carbon build up I have found.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby dag1450 » Fri May 12, 2017 6:27 pm

Most of the newer pumps have a thin "spaghetti" gasket that fits into a groove on the base. The couple I have installed have been a red rubber kinda material.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby Tom Scott » Fri May 12, 2017 9:13 pm

Eric - This gasket seals the fuel pump to the crankcase to prevent oil leaks and to keep dirt out. As dag says, I believe the replacement pumps have an o-ring type gasket pressed into the pump body. It would be nice to know that your pump is indeed sealed, as you certainly don't want dirt in the crankcase or oil leaking out.

You may be able to look at the donor engine and see the thin outline the o-ring type gasket would have left. If so, you should be fine, you shouldn't need the paper gasket. If not sure, then if the engine is still out and it is convenient, just unbolt the pump and take a look.

Either way, this would not have anything to do with carbon build-up. The gasket simply seals the crankcase from the outside world, keeping oil in and dirt out.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby eplummer » Sat May 13, 2017 6:31 am

Thanks for the info. The red spaghetti gasket is there. Didnt know if there should be the other one as well. Won't bother with the paper gasket then. Hope to get the heads and air cleaner, and starter on today.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby Tom Scott » Sat May 13, 2017 10:05 am

Yeah, you're good to go, the "red spaghetti" is the gasket!

Take a look at the Magnum manual for the head and new head gasket installation procedure, the manual will have the proper torques specs and torquing pattern. The starter bendix should be cleaned with something that dries without residue (like Brake Cleaner) and only lubricated with dry graphite powder. Any other lube will attract dirt and lead to a non-working starter. The starters are known for needing this graphite service, so now is your chance to take care of it.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby eplummer » Sat May 13, 2017 6:49 pm

Thanks for that tips. I have not even picked up a wrench today, the honey do list really cut into the cub list! Maybe tomorrow???? Happy Mothers Day Hon...the kids got you a new torque wrench. Let me show you how to use it!
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby dag1450 » Sat May 13, 2017 7:23 pm

:lol: Good one Eric..... I guess we r all the same! :lol:
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby eplummer » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:24 pm

After a long layoff I was able to get some time on the engine swap process on the 1811. The donor engine was resting on 2 steel slabs and the engine cradle looked somewhat tweaked so took the cradle and spacers off the seized engine. Not much of a struggle...but 2 of the bolts had washers on them and 2 did not?? Did I just lose 2 washers or is there a specific pattern for the bolts with and without washers. I poked around the manual section but didn't find anything that specific.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby dag1450 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:35 am

I would install a washer on all 4. Clean up the nuts and bolts with some carb or brake clean then use a thread locker on them. Does that have the "fancy" nut with the finger behind the starter?
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby eplummer » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:13 pm

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Got the engine plate on to the new to me m18, does it look correct? Put a washer on each bolt, finger tight at this point. Hope to get it tightened up and engine back in frame this weekend.
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Re: 1811 back from the dead

Postby dag1450 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:45 pm

Hard to say but.... washers, spacers, and locktite and should be good. Next....make sure all cylinder cooling fins r clean then install tin. I have even installed muffler box tin before install.....it's much easier on the bench. Keep the pics coming. Let's see what u r using for an engine lift.....every one uses different stuff..... :lol:
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