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No....nothing like Steve W or Tom S :lol: . Mine r with the 2072. Last night i was mowing and.... yes just thinking how trouble free this tractor has been. Before every mow i fill up the tank and check the oil. So im mowing and it starting to get dark and im pushing it pretty good to get done without needing the headlights for too long. At this point i have been mowing for about two hours when i notice an intermittent stumble in power. Then i notice it again and again. Not enough to stop.....nothing was going to stop me when i have about 5 minutes left. Then i realize it seems to b while moving up a slight hill and turning to the left pretty hard. Then it seemed to be related to the power steering or so i thought. Anyway i finish and while cleaning off the deck at idle it stalls, it never stalls. I get on and try to start it....nothing. So i choke it and it fires, i quick get it into the garage and park it for the night. I have some thoughts but wouldn't mind some different points of view or if something like this has happened to someone. Thanks for listining. Here is a pic just cause i know how boring things get without pics :lol: Dave
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Out of gas?
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Battery problems.

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Thanks guys.....im not ruling anything out yet. Where r your thought going with the battery Doog....I dont know, it seems ok? yes Paul there was about an inch or two above the tank screen. I only had time for a quick test today. Started perfect....ran it around w the mower off. I will spare u all the details, it only stumbled and coughed when the left or driver side was higher....like driving along a hill sideways. This was not a steep hill, if i had to guess i would say the tractor was leaning about 4- 6 inches off level. I did this several times just to prove. On level or down hill no problem. I went back and filled the tank, i could not get it to do it. When i parked it this time .....i turned the fuel off. Thanks Dave
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It looks like you store it inside, but if stored outside it may have water in the gas tank. Water leak into the gas cap vent hole.
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My 1641 was doing exactly as you described.

Made sure I had fuel, OK. Changed the fuel filter, problem disappeared immediately.
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Yes Arther im thinking fuel related too.... I was leaning more to the fuel pump as when the tank gets low there is not enough head pressure to push fuel in to the system. Low on gas it seems to do it.....fuller tank it dont. What im having trouble with is almost the instant i get on the slope it acts up. In my mind i would think the bowl and some of the lines would have enough to go for a minute or so. Paul i really could see how water in the tank ......or even better.. in the bowl would cause this stumble while on a slope. Maybe the pickup in the carb bowl is on the low side of the hill so therefor it instantly starts acting silly when the water fills that side of the bowl, but that does not explain then when i fill the tank it works good? I have a old good fuel pump...but being its older i think i will get a new aftermarket. I was checking out ebay last night....this must b a huge problem cause several sellers have in the high hundreds sold..if not thousands :beer:
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I have a 682 that stumped me for way to long and it was water in the tank. Turns out these open top gas caps have vent hole that loves to collect water, get enough in and you have a similar issue, especially on turns or hills where gas runs to one side of the tank and the water to the other.

Let the tractor sit for day to let the water settle out, get your self a siphon hose and siphon out of the bottom of the tank into a clear plastic soda jar, if you have water it will come out first.

My tractors are stored out side and this is what I do to prevent water infiltration, that's a hub cap from a set of Cragar wheels. A tuna can works well.
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I will check for water. Luckly i can fit the cubs in the shop....and garage...and basement....and Toms favorite...the attic. Thats where the 1450 is residing at the moment :x But Paul, I have a peanut container over the fuel tank on the backhoe cap as the key lock leaks like a sieve....and a soup can over the exhaust, a washcloth over the stereo & gauges, and a beach towel over the cloth seat. I guess u could say i baby this thing :lol: Now if i could just get sandwich bags over the tires.........
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Dave - Don't be that guy that just starts replacing random parts, lets troubleshoot this thing.

Easy stuff first; the tank screens are just bad, they clog easily and you can't really tell just by looking in. When the tank gets low again siphon into a clear container so you can let it settle and see if you had water. With the tank siphoned out you can pull the fitting out of the bottom of the tank. Inspect the screen for clogging, but even if not clogged I would snip off the screen. Then move upstream and put a small inline disposable fuel filter in. Kohler and others sell some nice small ones that are about the size of a golf ball which will hold much more dirt then you will ever let in.

Also, when the problem happens, stop at the exact spot it occurs at and shine a light into the tank and be sure the outlet is still covered with gas. Also with it still running pull the side panel and make sure you don't have any collapsed or soft fuel lines, but not likely, as it only happens when tank is low.

After all that checks out, then you can suspect the fuel pump.

As far as clogging of tank outlets go, I even had crap block the outlet of a Cyclops tank which doesn't even have a screen! I blew compressed air back through the line to break up the clog. It doesn't take much to clog up those little fittings. The screens are way worse.

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Dave
The battery charger is sitting on the hood of the tractor. :mrgreen:
On my 1782 if my battery didn't have a good charge it wouldn't run right. It couldn't keep running at idle. I maybe had a bad battery. But give it a fun charge and it would run fine.
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I had a very similar issue and problems with my 1882 It drove me nuts Ended up being the fuel shut offs on both sides _- one was completly plugged and the other all but blocked good luck with it Ken in Pa

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Thanks guys. Well I mowed again...and had no issues. I made sure to top off the tank so it don't get too low. Still thinking fuel pump. I will update when I have any news.
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Mowing looks good :beer:

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Sounds like the little valves in the fuel pump are loose. Before buying one take the fuel pump off and I bet the two round valves or whatever they are came out. Pop them back in and tap the plastic around it with a punch once or twice so they'll stay in place. I've seen this 4 or 5 times on one I worked on with the same symptoms. I chased it for months the first time and tried everything. It's a quick free attempt before buying anything.
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Thanks Kevin for the idea. I am normally a repairer rather than just a replacer......but in the past I looked for rebuild kits for this when I bought a used supposedly good pump. I did see some one selling rubber or something on a weird website but it was like $20 or so I forget. And that would b a good deal if they did not have the cheaper aftermarket ones. Maybe I will pull that one I have on the shelf apart next week and I will post what I find out. Thanks again. Dave
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So a few years back i picked up a "good" used fuel pump on ebay for cheap just as a spare if i was in a jam. The other day i took it apart to have a look. Looks good to me, all nice and soft...but i dont know how they look when they fail. Someday i will pull the old one off and open it up. Not rushing into this cause as long as i keep the fuel up it runs fine and its not leaking into the crankcase.....yet. :o Dave
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Well I finally got the fuel pump off of my magnum 20. As I suspected the problem was a fuel pump failure. Once I removed the pump from the block...I could move the lever with no resistance! I drove out the lever pivot pin so I could see the end of the lever. I found a tab that had broke off inside. I don't know yet if this is a Kohler or after market pump. I do know it was changed at some point as I found it had red rtv on the gasket. I'm guessing the tab I'm refuring to was held in place by two small welds or it was stamped and only had two small contact points to support. I was just glad I was able to finish out the mowing season by just keeping the tank fuller than normal. I have a new Kohler pump on the way.
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