1811 back from the dead

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Thanks Dave,
Those pics are way better on my old eyes!
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Eric - I coincidentally need throttle cable routing for an 1872. All 82 series CCC with Mag 18 or 20 should have been routed the same way from the factory. Joe, You've just seen too many cobbled tractors!

My need is because my 1872 received a replacement Mag 18 which is probably from a JD. The cable bracket for this spec doesn't use the bell-crank lever so my cable had to make a hard bend to attach, and hence it broke eventually.

dag's pics individually show the end of the cable runs, but I need the path for the throttle from the dash to the carb. dag has promised me he will come up with a few!

I spent part of the day sourcing the pieces I'm missing... the bell-crank lever, correct governor spring, the throttle stop for the bellcrank lever and the actual cable bracket. I'm making this one right, but it's not cheap! Throttle control with cable, cable bracket and stop from Messick's. Bellcrank lever is NLA, found a used on eBay. Spring is NLA, found NOS at a dealer in Maine (Messick's found it for me, God Bless them!).

So, dag, or whoever has, show a good throttle cable routing from the dash to carb. Maybe also get the choke cable routing while your at it. Just put in separate posts if you could. And bring me a beer while I'm waiting! :lol:
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It comes out of the back of the dash.... twards the front of the tractor. It then hooks to the Engine. Your welcome!
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:cry: ....fine. you owe me big-time
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I owe you a "whole lotta notta"! :lol:

Thanks for the pics. I'm starting with nothing, so I just wanted to be sure.
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Tom Scott wrote: I'm starting with nothing:
..... you got that right..... you and "Kruger" :stupid: :stupid:
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Thanks for the additional pictures! Tom, which dealer in Maine did they get your part from? If it was Waterman's Farm Machinery I grew up about 15 miles from there. One of the Waterman brothers sold me a head gasket for a 70 and that is when this crazy pastime started for me. Haven't put too much time in on the 1811 this week. Sent one of the valves out and waiting to get it back.

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Good news, bad news (but not unexpected) on the 1811. Got it started in the 20 degree weather in MA. The valve I had repaired didn't leak! But the non repaired one started to.... :banghead: Next week has a payday in it so will send that one out next. Kind of hoping to be able to push some snow with this machine at some point.

My objective was to mess with the throttle and choke cables today but just to cold in the shed to be able to dedicate much time to it. Maybe tomorrow.

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Finally had a decent day in MA, not 20 degrees or raining or snowing so I grabbed a little time on the 1811. But...as always a complication. Short version of long story is as follows. I forgot to turn off fuel valve when I replaced the other hydro valve, gas tank was nearly empty, not the way I left it. Checked oil smelled like gas. Drained oil/gas mixture out of tractor. Refilled with winter weight oil , added gas. Cranked engine a few times it caught and ran at a reasonable idle for 3 or 4 minutes. Decided that I would call that a success. Closed up the shop and headed in to warm up! Off next week so the 1811 might actually drive around the yard for a while. Probably going to jinx myself but the 1811, 1650 and salvage Ingersoll 448 were all running at some point today!

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Wow.... heart ache and jubilee all in the same day......I can't take it anymore Eric. :lol: I guess I'm negligent.....for $1.50 I could install an easy fuel shut off that one don't need to remove side panels. I had that problem few years back.....mine was the carb seat.....but I think same can happen with fuel pump. Just use the fuel shut off for now.....we can tackle that this summer.... ;)
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Thanks Dave! The big takeaway is that the engine did run pretty good while I had it running! It was only for a few minutes until the shed filled up with exhaust and I shut things down. I couldn't believe how much the oil/gas cocktail in the crankcase limited the engine speed during cranking. I just thought the battery was low due to cold temp and little use. With fresh winter weight oil it cranked over at speed. Warm this week so I hope to get her out for a cruise around the yard.

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:oops: Oh yeah the 1811 has an oil filter that is probably filled with the mix of gas and oil! But...change the oil again and the engine sounds pretty good. I did use a light duty wire tie to keep the throttle linkage from popping out but actually moved the tractor around a little. I did discover a small oil leak which I think is coming from that reddish spaghetti looking gasket where the oil lines go into the engine. I think I was optimistic when I was swapping things over and hoped that some gasket sealant would do. 2 steps forward 1 step backwards....that is my motto!

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If that oil line area is like most I have seen.....it looks like a hot mess down there. I guess you r saying u had that oil line adapter off and resealed it? And now it's still leaking? Down there it's really hard to tell where oil is coming from unless it's really clean. Good luck and great news on it running. Oh....unless u ran the engine with the gas in the crank case.....it probably didn't make it's way into the filter and lines...
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Hey Dave,
That's right, I probably cheaped out, or was impatient and just used sealer. Lesson learned. It was fairly clean as I had pressure washed the engine before I put it in.
On the second oil change the oil/gas was far less but still present as was the fluid from the filter. I don't have the governor quite figured out yet as the tractor doesn't idle down to the same rpm each time. Could a throttle that is left open allow gas to leak by even if fuel is shut off?
I did drive it around a bit today so I will call it successful.
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I'm pretty sure the oil adapter is a flat card stock type gasket. The spaghetti is the new style fuel pump.
Gas....if u have a shut off after the tank and before fuel pump....no gas can get into the engine. With the shut off open....it can leak in two spots I know of.....down the carb and into the intake....past the valves......into the cylinder then leak past the rings into the case.....or...out of fuel pump into crankcase.
If u want to try to tell.....run the tractor up to temp. Turn off the engine but leave the fuel turned on for about half hour. Remove the air cleaner assembly and shine a flashlight down in the bottom of the 90° turn that goes into carb. If it is wet down on the bottom your leak is probably from the carb needle leaking and the bowl over flowing.
Not returning to same idle ......wow....not sure on that.
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I have probably mixed up the gaskets in my mind, not much room in there to begin with! I can see some red/brown material between the surfaces so that is what made me think of the fuel pump gasket, also lends more weight to the thought that I just used sealant.
Thanks for you help.
I will post more in a few days.
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Ok....my brain is smoking. :lol:
I think we r both right....I'm pretty sure its a flat type gasket...but for some reason it has an orange/red rubber coating on one side....I think. I think I remember saying to myself....why on one side....idk :roll:
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Put in some detective work on the 1811 to try and isolate this oil leak/seepage. I have an idea that the gasket behind the closure plate (?) may have been patched or repaired with silicone. With a dentist pick I can lift up a rubbery bead and pull it away from the engine a little. Not the spot where the oil is see seeping but aroused suspicion. The oil is leaking on the right hand side of the engine (from operators perspective) so it may be leaking down onto the area where the oil lines attach to the engine. Also there is a bit of a seep coming from the shaft seal on the PTO end of the engine. Will keep you posted!
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I'm not there to see the silicone you r describing....but it's not uncommon for a little to squirt out along the seam during original assembly.....then that extra hang or even come loose. If u see it looks like it was smeared with a finger....that's a whole different story. Yes.....front seal throws oil over to that side of engine. If silicone don't have repair looks to it....I'm guessing the oil your finding could b front shaft seal. That's a pretty easy repair.
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I did the shaft seal on the original engine when I first started on this tractor, the leak was far worse so it was easy to see. I am fairly confident I can replace that without much trouble. Is it about the same level of difficulty to replace the gasket behind the cover plate? Would wisdom or experience say to do them both at the same time or do the shaft seal first and see if that takes care of the issue?

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Wisdom....wow. It's easy for the wise to sit in an easy chair and type wisdom....to someone else that has to do all the work. :lol: The only wisdom I can say with confidence is don't have a large milkshake before bed :roll:
Clean and check oil lines and the oil lines adapter plate real good. For any oil leak..i like to use a tissue. Wipe real good with a tissue till u see no oil on tissue. Then run for a couple minutes....take clean tissue and wipe again (the engine) lol.
As for the closure plate gasket....you know what's right for you. If u suspect....or see oil on a tissue from that bad spot..then it's an easy answer....as your most of the way there for the front seal. I don't think it's too hard of a job...but I have not messed with that while still in tractor.
Working down low like that never gets me too excited. What if u jack the front end up real high....so u can sit in a chair and have it at a good view. If your in a shed.....can u rig up a hoist or some rub Goldberg to lift. Oh... taking the hood and front end off is a must too
Read through the process in the manual a couple times.....and see what u think. Good luck.
Keep up the good work and stay encouraged!! Sounds like You will have a nice running machine real soon!
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Thanks Dave,
Hood and front grill and associated pieces already off as is the pto so that is a non issue. I will try your tissue approach. For about $20 I can buy both gaskets so it seems like a good idea to do both. Back to work this week so probably be at least a week before I can get wrenching again. Now....I think I have some time before bed, a milkshake sounds great!

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dag1450 wrote: Working down low like that never gets me too excited.
:? dag, let's not be sharing too much personal stuff here... :lol:
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Eric - Rather than fix something that isn't broken, I'd recommend being sure of the source of the leak and just fix what's actually leaking. I do have to "one-up" dag on the "tissue" and suggest what the rest of the manly world uses in the garage, paper towels! But, in all seriousness, dag's suggestion of finding the leak first is the right way to go to me.
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Dave and Tom, Thinking about you advice and agree. This tractor is like a bait shop, many cans of worms! If it ain't broke why break it. I did spray the area down with some carb cleaner a few days ago and I used paper towels to wipe things down. They were closer that the tissues :lol:

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For the cost of $16 and some change the 1811 is leak free! And at one point today had the 1811 and 1650 both running at the same time. A first on planet Earth! Will try and post some pictures later today.

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So was the $16 for a front seal? A jumbo jug of rtv?....or some dark sun glasses?
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What BM said!
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And what dag said... Share the "how" of your success!
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