1863 i think?

[britter]

Hey all,

Been awhile but I'm back. Since having kids 3 and 5 I have not done much with buying or selling cubs. But, I have been looking the last few days at one that I hope you folks can give me some insight on? It looks like an 1863 and pretty good overall? I'm thinking it would at least be worth $1200 he is asking 1500. He has the blower, mule drive and the mower deck (in great shape).

He does not say anything on the model number and the pics are not great! What is your take on a machine like this since I am really a narrow/wide frame old school guy.

[Oak]

That looks like an 1862 because it has power steering and no hydro release lever on the tunnel cover. It should have the Kohler Mag 18 in it. Looks pretty nice too.

[dag1450]

Hi Brian.... welcome back. I'm more into the steel hood tractors....but I think this is very similar to the 1811 except the plastic hood and sides. Oh...and the cool single headlight
Hours r a big deal for this as the engine is most of the value of the unit. The blower looks ok in the pics but up close in person can b a whole different ball game. Check for play in the gear box.....cause like the engine....the gear box is all the value in the blower. If like Todd said is true....i guess they could have switched engine covers as the old ones probably broke..very common..or power steering could have been added. Good luck .

[britter]

Yeah, I'm a steel guy myself. The 1650 I have with the tiller on was my second "newer style cub". Everything else I've had has been 70s series to my 169. I had a 1863 I believe for awhile but dropped since the plastic was all busted up and it just ended up being a money pit.

Do you guys feel the price is right at $1500? I'm looking and thinking $1K-1200 IF everything is right?! If it was any of the series as I stated previously I wouldn't be so bothered BUT I'm just not versed in the "newer" stuff.

Warm Regards,
Bri

[9803412]

Get the numbers off the tag on the side of the frame. Couple things look odd on this one, if it is an 1863 someone added power steering (PS mount being white is odd). Don't think it's an 1862 because it has the late style large filler gas tank and fender pan, it also has late style side panels with the screens. Get a pic of the engine, 1863 & 1864 have Kohler CH's.

[SWilliams]

It's either an 1863 with added power steering or an 1864 with the wrong panels. I'm thinking it's an 1863 because the steering cylinder mount is the wrong color, it has the later 63/64 filler cap, and that is a 451 blower which isn't correct for the earlier tractors. I will say it is worth all of $1,200 in that shape. That blower is $4-500 alone in the shape it appears to be in.

[britter]

Ok, I spoke to the owner and he did say it is an 1864 but he put on 1863 panels. He says he has the other panels they were replaced only b/c the stickers were bad. He told me to the power steering is original to the best of his knowledge. Which I’m assuming is std. for the 1864? But, the bracket color is an interesting aspect here. The snow blower was in fact also from another machine.

So, he seems to be forthcoming with the information. He also said I could buy the 1863 if I wanted to. Dear God the wife would flip if I did that!! But the fact that there are chains that come with it and a decent deck I think it’ll be a decent purchase for snow blowing. My 106 with the CW36 did an unbelievable job last year for what it is but, if we are moving into another cycle of harsh winters I really would like something that can grab more snow and blow it further.

I’m making the assumption everyone that chimed in has had good luck with this model? We are scheduled to go see it this Sunday and I’m interested in seeing how it runs.

Warm Regards,
Bri

[SWilliams]

OK, maybe they replaced the steering mount with an older one. 1863/64 are identical tractors, the 1864 gets power steering (which is a big help with that blower) and it had automatic dump valves instead of the manual ones on the 1863.

The only things I can complain about on the cyclops series are - the wiring connections especially the ignition switch! The contacts rust and they get hot and melt the plastic housing and insulation on the wires. If you buy it, pull each connector off, clean them up, squeeze them to be a bit tighter, add some dielectric grease and you will eliminate most of the issues.
Next issue is also common. They used 4 bolts on each axle tube to secure the rear axle to the frame, just like the earlier tractors. BUT with the aluminum axle housing those bolts like to loosen and/or break off. When they get loose the axle can move around and cause problems with the lower brackets. Many folks add loctite to the bolts and add a brace to a couple extra bolts to keep the housing from moving. You can find threads on both issues on here easily.
The blower is VERY heavy, so be sure the front bearings are good and the tires get some extra air. You will find that it will throw snow very well IF the snow isn't the wet waterlogged crap. Even with extra weight they don't like to back up with the blower on. I loaded the tires, added extra iron weights to each tire and a 200 pound box weight on the rear, plus the steel cab and my fat a$$ and it can move around real well now, still have an issue in reverse!

Owners manual, service manual, wiring diagram for the tractor are all on here, as are the books on the blower and deck.

[9803412]

1863 and 1864 are not identical tractors. 1863 has the Hydrogear pump and the 1864 has the Sundstrand pump along with PS. Aluminum rear is for all intents the same as the later 782's. They are not as susceptible to breakage as the Supers but even at that a set of GT braces from Xtreme will beef them up. Plastic and crappy powder coating is what it is. That said I would love to find a decent 1864.