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I’m mounting a Haban plow on a super for the first time. The lift rod looks custom can someone post a picture of the factor lift rod? Also I see off set braket or brace is this required?

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Joe - My 1872/Haban blade is installed, but a little tight where it is parked now for good pics. See if these help:

Picture from a dag thread years ago, shows lift rod. Lift rod is a hollow tube with the ends flattened and slots at each end which allows float:
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The other item it sounds like you are referring to is the cross shaft support strap, and YES, it is absolutely necessary! This strap connects the outer lift arm to the mower deck arm to provide additional support. Without this bracket the outer arm often breaks off the rock shaft. Here is a pic of mine installed from an old thread as well:
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Thanks Tom!
Ok I kinda thought the cross strap necessary. And yes that is the one I was referring to.

The lift rod I have is just a peice of flat stock with a body fit hole on each end it looks almost like a Narrow Frame 3point Lift arm. I’ll have to make slots. Anyone know the correct overall length and short length of those slots? I’ll drill my own and use the jig saw to Make them as clean as I can.

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Oh yeah..I forgot I had that. I went down and took some pictures. The tube when squashed together measures 1.5" x 3/16". Overall length 30". Each oval is approx 1" long. Center to center is 27.5".
Now I'm not sure what super this came off of....or what generation 401 this is.
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Now....if someone can get some specs on the rock strap..... that would be great! I need a few of those. I'm surprised no one has made some for sale. Jeff in pa..... :lol:
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Thanks dag I’ll see what I can do when I get some shop time next. Also on my list is to make a strap or two. Dave C and I where taking about a king some but who knows.

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I guess just a peice of flat stock should be strong enough,I’ll drill some slots not just body fit holes.

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Joe - Two things...

1) I would clarify what dag is calling "center to center", as you want to get this right. I would want the center to center of the pin in the ends of the slots closest to each other, this is the critical measurement. Supers lift by pushing, so the distance of the slots to each other measured to the inside is the critical dimension. The rest of the slot is just for float.

2) A flat bar that will not be too thick to attach at the pins will not be thick enough to prevent flex, in my opinion. Again, since Supers lift by pushing, you need something that will resist buckling (flex to the side). I would get my own tube and flatten the ends (maybe EMT conduit, the factory rod is surprisingly thin) or maybe angle iron if the return leg of the angle doesn't interfere with anything else. A third choice would be rod like for a 450/451/551 blower, but would have wasted time designing a fitting for the blade end.

I like the flattened EMT idea best myself! Even though it is not real thick, tubing is very strong due to its shape.
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...Tom's an engineer. So we could load this on a cad program, get out the metal rulers, dial gadgets and other whatnots. See... I went old school....a tape measure. It was a real cheap one too....i couldn't even get it to retract after my 30" measrment :lol: .I think that's what Joe and I understand. Center of one oval to center of other oval.
Tom did have a good idea about making a test rod out of emt. I don't think emt would b heavy enough to support the pin force at the ends for a permanent solution. Maybe there is different thickness of that. Tom will know....
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dag's a real smart-ass, that's what I understand! :lol: Clarity, that's what we needed. Center to center of the oval is fine, Joe can work with that. I took my lift rod off the tractor and measured. I come up with 27.5" to center of ovals as well, with 1" ovals. The rod diameter is 1".

Thickness of EMT... Yes, Tom does know, because Tom knows how to Google! I did not mean "test rod", I meant make the permanent rod. But, now that I got off my lazy rear and actually measured mine, the actual thickness of the squashed end (with a caliper, not dag's framing square) is 0.160", meaning the wall thickness of the tube they used is about 0.080". Looking at the charts for EMT, 1" does turn out a little thinner than I had hoped. 1" EMT "squashed" would yield 0.114".

So, with the actual measurements in hand the best choice to me is the next step up: "Intermediate Metal Conduit (IMC)". For a 1" outside diameter, use 3/4" IMC:
3/4" IMC outside diameter: 1.029
wall thickness of 0.083"" which would provide a "squashed" thickness of 0.166"

You also want to make sure that you squash far enough up the tubing to clear the lift arm and blade ends. Looks like 3-1/4" will get it done:
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The only real challenge here is squashing both ends in the same plane. Not hard, and IMC conduit should be cheap enough to allow for a do-over if needed.
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dag1450 wrote:Now....if someone can get some specs on the rock strap..... that would be great! I need a few of those. I'm surprised no one has made some for sale. Jeff in pa..... :lol:
Jeff needs dimensions. I started with a new company at the end of March 2017 ( after 29 years at my previous employer ).

The new company has TWO waterjet cutters 8-) One will handle 4' x 8' sheets and the other will handle 2' x 4' sheets. The smaller one has a tilting head for straight cuts in thick material.

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Lots of good info here. Thanks guys!

Dag
I get both you and Tom I’d like to think I’m somewhwre in between ! :o

Tom
Your saying not to use that bundle of free 3/4 emt I have sitting in the shop? 36” is just a scrap anyhow! Not sure where I would find your IMC?

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You gota get tom to get you his sample! I’m guessing you don’t have any supers? If so it would be real easy to figure out. I’m goi g to try to make a custom one up over the weekend.

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JMotuzick wrote:Lots of good info here. Thanks guys!

Dag
I get both you and Tom I’d like to think I’m somewhwre in between ! :o

Tom
Your saying not to use that bundle of free 3/4 emt I have sitting in the shop? 36” is just a scrap anyhow! Not sure where I would find your IMC?

Jeff
You gota get tom to get you his sample! I’m guessing you don’t have any supers? If so it would be real easy to figure out. I’m goi g to try to make a custom one up over the weekend.
Nope, no supers. I have a pair of 125's . One set up for snow duty and one for lawn mowing.
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Now all I had to do was read your signature line!

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I was walking through home Depot (Painting bathroom) :cry: .....and I stopped in the electric isle. I did see a ridgid conduit. It was basically galvanized black pipe. It did have a welded seam. I don't want to get into the whole strength of BLK iron...bla bla bla. It was $18 for ten foot. But....that leads my discussion to then....u can probably get a 36" galvanized nipple in another section of the store..... Lol. My fear would b when crushing...it could split.
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Jeff that would be great. I'm sure lots of guys out in Cub land don't have the proper support on the rockshaft. Don't just make for me. Maybe test the water here and other sites. Mark me down for two.

Giant picture of just a dumb piece of pipe was deleted from this location by a surly mod because it took too long to load... :mrgreen:

If I remember....it's made of Pretty thick material....idk 1/4" and it has a couple offset bends. Now...thicker might b better. ;)
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I made a off set bracket up. I used a 4/5 Series PTO engagement lever. The offset seamed right! I cut to length and drilled 2holes. Hopefully being on the outside of the “Plow” arm won’t be a issue!
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Joe - Forgive me for being a kill-joy, but some comments...

1. The 90* bends will make this a much weaker bracket than the factory bracket that had mild offsets. The blade/blower lift arm is trying to be forced back by the weight of the attachment. With sharp 90* bends perpendicular to the line of force it won't resist much force, it will simply act as a spring.

2. The factory bracket is bolted to the blade lift arm with a torqued Grade 5 bolt and is a tight fit to the mower lift arm to reduce slop. It has to be, because if the blade lift arm is able to deflect enough to take up the clearance you have with a loose clevis pin it will have already broken the weld. The mower lift pin Cub used for this isn't an ideal mount for this either, but at least that is welded to the arm and can't move. Your clevis pin on the other end is loose and just won't start taking any load in time to help.

3. Attached to the outside of the lift arm just makes the offset larger, making it even weaker.

The factory design is best if it is to be made from just a piece of flat strap. The hard 90* you have could be beefed with a gusset at each bend and would also have to be solidly bolted to the blade lift arm with minimal clearance in all the holes. You need the strap to start taking load before the blade lift arm has deflected very far or you won't prevent the weld from breaking.

Rather than try to beef this design up I think it would be less work and a better end result to emulate the factory design.
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Thanks for the tips tom, I’ll redo the whole thing and bolt it this time! Guess I won’t have the Plow mounted for tomorrow anyway!

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What I think is funny is that Dag needs his fractions(littleer than an inch Dag) spelled out on his tape measure :lol:

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:? Oh brother....the holidays were so peaceful..now Mike seems to have waken up from his long Winters nap early. :(
He doesn't pick on Tom for deleting my pictures, or Tom for being so mean to poor Joe and his nice bracket build, he doesn't say...oh dag..good job on the quick measuring for Joe.
No....he finds my smallest weakness I have about not being too good at reading tape measures. It's going to be a long year! :roll:
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You bet your bippy it is :D
For you whipper snappers that don't know what a bippy is you can look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls.

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Dag
You had better double check the 27 1/2 measurement. I made a lift rod from 3/4 emt. 30” overall I flattend about 3” of each end in the bend vise. I marked of 27 1/2 on each end. I drilled 2, 1/2” holes on each side of each mark. No go! I had to shave about 1/8 more to get it to fit. I got it on and working but made a second 27 1/4 apart. I added weights chains and mounted the rest of the plow. What fun having the power angle is! I did plow with a 782d and power angle about 5 years ago that was fun too! I’m amazzed how high this thing lifts! I thought about adding a peice of 1/2 or 5/8 round stock to the inside of the emt, thoughts on that? I did install the 4/5 PTO handle brace, but need to come up with something better.... maybe I’ll brake out the torches and bend some 1/4 flat stock.
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Wow.... sorry Joe! This is your test rod right? Over the years I have heard so many problems with lift rod lengths that's why I felt a quick test rod was in order. The rod I was measuring has some visible wear so it was kinda hard.....but yes each hole could b a 1/16" either way. If the finished rod is 30"..... And you follow our specs. ....u should only have 5/8 to 3/4" from end of slot to end of rod. In your last pic...it looks like u have a lot more. Idk. This will become your sample :lol: . I will double check everything.....as I'm sure Tom has his mounted back on.
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I’m not sure how far from the ends the slots start from, I just went with it! I’ll test it out tomorrow, callingfor 1-2” over night. Not enough to justify mounting the plow on the truck but enough to need to scrape off the driveway. The first 100’ here is rough it rises at least 50’ in that distance. If not addressed the fed ex guy has to walk! :roll:

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dag1450 wrote:And Big Mike better keep his bippy shut :lol:
If I did that you would start thinking I was mad at you :D

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I got some more shop time this afternoon! Seams I had the cam adjuster thing set just “off”. The correct 27 1/2” length center to center works perfect! We got a dusting but I scraped off the asphalt part just for fun! Dark 20f and driving around on a super! That’s fun right!

I made this up too! To quote lurker dave who I texted “Pretty crude...but looks functional”. Time will tell it’s 1/4” stock so I’m guessing it will hold up.
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Wow.... that should work! How did you bend that..... couple pairs of vice grips? :lol:
Now..... for all my trouble.....I'll take a bracket too. Here is my address..... ;)
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Vice and hot wrenches, lots of back and forth! I think I lit those torches about 10 times! Then after the first hole was drilled backs d for that couple more times to make sure the second one was corect! I’d send you one but it’s a bit to crude to send out!

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Crude bracket for crude dude :D

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