Kwik Way loader

[ksanders]

Anyone out there have a hydraulic schematic for a kwik way loader? I picked one up for a cub cadet after all these years. All hydraulics are nice but I don't have a pump or reservoir for it and need to know how to run the in and out line for the hydraulic splitter valves.
Also if anyone knows the pump specifications or pictures of how their's is. Basically any help would be appreciated as hydraulic engineering isn't something I've messed a lot with. I'm going to mount it on a 1000 to keep my main mowers freed up and can build the mount for the frame easy enough.

[Tom Scott]

Kevin - Here is the pump that is on my Kwik-Way loader. Part number 10566 from Northern Tool, cut sheet from Northern below. I am not 100% sure it is the factory one from Kwik-Way, but it fits the factory bracket fine and has the right amount of speed and power.

You can start with the pics in my Gallery under my username. I will get back to you with pics of the hoses and valve. It is all really very simple. I will keep taking pics until you have what you need.

On all the Kwik-Ways I have seen (including mine), the hollow left hand stanchion is the resevoir.

You should be able to easily reproduce the Kwik-Way sub-frame which allows the loader to be removed quickly for maintenance or other attachments.

[ksanders]

Tom,
Thanks a bunch. Mine has no signs of ever having any fittings on the stancheons. I've seen gravely ones with the reservoir in the right side one. I considered drilling them for some but I don't know how rusted they are inside. Still might. Maybe someday I'll get a few days off work to figure something out. I have a pump but if that one is for sure right I might end up getting it and saving the time and guesswork of getting one to work. I don't have a bracket either for a pump so have to make that. I have some good ideas for a frame mount. Just need some time to work on it. Here's pictures of what I have. Definitely way different on the stancheons at least. Not sure what it is now but has original kwik way decals for sure.

[mmzullo]

Kevin my Kwik way has the valve on the r/side and reservoir is the r/side upright. Its in the garage and easy to get picture if you need them. Just let me know. I can text them or email them to you. Mike

[Jlaws]

Kevin , First off loaders rule .

I've got just a couple of small concerns about your loader project .
The first is your putting it on a gear drive .
I'm a gear head and love my gear drive cubs , but even I knew a hydro makes a little more sense .

Another is its a 10 h.p. cub , I'm not sure if you'll be happy with the power .
I noticed a power difference between my 1450 and the 782 .
Although I did manage to break a few axles along the way when it was on the 1450 .....

Lastly , A Quietline ?
I'm sure the 1000 doesn't shake as bad as my 1450 did .
Also , I'm not real familiar with the Kwik Way loaders , but I know it was a bear getting the side panels off my 1450 with the Johnson loader . I made sure my uprights front brace support mounts were moved more outboard to make it easier to get the side panels off when I moved it over to the 782 .

I'm not trying to be a killjoy here , but just want to make sure you've weighed all your options .
Keep us posted on your progress , and we like pictures .

[ksanders]

Mike, sent a PM with email.

Jess, I'd far rather hear concerns up front than figure it out the hard way. I chose the 1000 for a few reasons. I didn't want to deal with a hydro handle and loader handles and steering all at once so a gear drive made more sense. Also my two hydro tractors are my 682 and 982, neither of which I want to adapt a foot hydro to or tie up long term with a loader.this is the only gear drive with the wide frame front axle I thought would be a bit better. The tractor doesn't shake at all and doesn't have side panels (painted to look like 240 Farmall). As for what a rebuilt 10hp will accomplish I never considered that so that will just have to be a chance I take I guess
Yes I've always wanted a loader on a cub but the prices they used to bring made me want a bit less. I used to have a farmall m with loader and we still have a case backhoe around so the main thing I need a loader for is to pick up parts to move around to save my back a bit and maybe small odds and ends jobs.

[ksanders]

Well here's a few updates. Finally got some time to piddle with my ideas a few days and most of all got the welding done at least.
Changed muffler from stack to old narrow frame style set-up to save space.
Drilled and welded plugs to turn right side stancheon into reservoir (cleaned inside it and added fill plug as well)
Totally built a subframe from scratch. That was most of my fabbing and mounting and testing to make sure it was right and then way over built it to be safe.

Mmarzullo sent me some great pictures of the hydraulics so it looks like mine have been reversed and adapted a bit for whatever application before. I might actually change this back to get the valves on the right side again. Also know how I'm going to do all the hydraulics I think. So far I haven't had to cobble the frame at all which was a point of emphasis. More pictures of it actually mounted sometime within the week I hope.

[mmzullo]

Kevin,
No problem make sure the subframe is forward enough to get the weight right. wish I had put mine a little more forward. Also make sure you have the support rods from the upright to the front. Here a couple side pixs.
Mike

[ksanders]

I had to guess a bit on weight distribution. I was jacking the bottom cross bar against the frame and we'd pit the loader on it and see how it looked and cleared the front. Took 3 attempts to get it where I felt it would work. I believe it's about 6" forward compared to yours in the side pictures. It mounts slightly behind halfway of the foot rest if I remember right (I hope). I'll mount it all in a few days when I get a chance. I do have the supports but they'll need cut down. Wasn't easy to balance the loader frame and measure for them so I had to wait until it's solidly mounted.

[mmzullo]

The triangular tube was not cut when I did mine. That's how I determined where I was going to put the upright. I think you might be alright in the middle of the foot rest. If I ever take the loader off I will push it forward about the same area as you mentioned.

[BigMike]

Dang Mike, how in the world do you get on and off the seat?
I don't have any pics but there is just enough space for the center of my foot to fit between the stanchion and the fender pan.

[BigMike]

Dang Mike, how in the world do you get on and off the seat?
I don't have any pics but there is just enough space for the center of my foot to fit between the stanchion and the fender pan.

[mmzullo]

Your BIG Mike I'm littleLLITTLE Mike

[ksanders]

Made some progress slowly since last posting. Got all hydraulics on the right side and all hydraulics plumbed in. Got the pump Tom suggested after researching a while and realizing I really wanted one that could take a side load for belt drive so I could turn it on and off. Fabbed up a bracket that's milled out so I can adjust the pump up and down for belts. It now works and is fully mounted up. Still kind of slow moving and not liking my fill plug and return line set-up but not sure I'll change it. Also have some fluid leaks still at the reservoir / stancheon.

Quick question. What size pulley are you guys running on the pump? I'm running one the same as the pto to get a 1:1 with rpm but thinking I need a bit smaller to speed the pump up and speed up the movement/power.

[ksanders]

Lifts front of tractor up

[mmzullo]

kevin,
here's a pix of the pump bracket I made. I've slotted a couple holes for adjustment as you said. The pump pulley is about 3 to 4 inches I will measure for you in the next couple days. the belt is not that tight because you have almost 3/4 of the belt engauged so it should not slip on you. Mine never did and its not real tight.
Mike

[Ksdavid]

I have the dimensional diagram for the early kwik way loader and am considering building it to go on my cub 1641. Can anyone comment on the differences between the 2 arm self leveling system with a pivot on the main beam verses the single arm above the main beam on the later models.
Also it appears they went with a larger reservoir on the later version. I assume the original 1.5 x 2.5 box support arm was sufficient for the hydraulic system.

Thanks,
David