1641

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Got this 1641 last weekend. PO says the transmission is going out on it ......... hmmm............. it does have some slop in the linkage to the control handle on the dash . Will be a good one to start on this upcoming rainy weekend if the weather guessers are correct .




Guess I need to update this thread to 1863!

[vince_o]

Seeing that Tim is a friend, well I really dont think the man is real, Tim you wanna double your money!

I guess I need to see if I can get a ride for the lawn boy if it aint gone to the scrap yard, seeing your not coming to PD, but Drew, Stewart, Rob, Jim, and some other GREEN guys are coming.

Lets see, last year I tripple doged dared you, so this year I quadrouple dare you to show up.

[Jlaws]

Tim , I would try changing the fluid and filter before condeming the transmission . And check the pump pressure . But i'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know .
Nice looking Cyclops tractor by the way .

[Tom Scott]

Tim - Even if it needs a rebuild, it's not a bad job. I did my 1861 a few years back (same trans), and have never regretted it. Since it is a Hydro-Gear trans, the parts are available from Hydro-Gear dealers for about half the price Cub wants.

[vince_o]

Were a hydro gear dealer, we get rzt trannies cheaper than you can get them threw cub. Were also a pearless dealer.

[wham]

Thanks y'all, yep I'm gonna go thru it and check a few things because I don't really feel like it's that much wrong with it after I got it home and looked it over. Corey has already found a linkage on it that is sloppy loose .

[mic]

1641 brings back some good memories! had on back in 97/98 ! great tractor and the hydrolift was a nice feature! worked the one i had hard and never let me down! enjoy the 1641!

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It is ALIVE ! Turns out the transmission problem was what we thought it was, there were some problems in the linkage and the control handle. Fluid and filter looks to have been recently changed, very clean appearance of the fluid. A good washing and a new seat cover added to it today now I got to decide on whether to sell it or keep it and sell my other mower . Got a feeling the 2160 may be on the "auction block" before long and the possibly the 2155 too ! I got to say that big V-twin has a mean, almost Harley sound to it LOL . I'll try to get some pictures up soon .

Vince, I think the Lawn Boy is still here somewhere, think I put it up on a table in the back of the tractor shed . But since I'm a figment of your imagination it wouldn't be right and might mess you up if it does show up one day at your place LOL .

Tim H.

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Yep, one more thing. The 1641 SHOULD have the same engine as the 2160 if I recall correctly ? So why does the 1641 seem like it's much more powerful than the 2160 is/was even on it's best day ? The 2160 is running a 48" deck and the 1641 is running a 54" deck and it just seems there is more hp to the 1641 .

Tim H.

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Update, and I'm feeling kinda stupid on this one, got all the "transmission" problems pretty much corrected and things are looking good on that front. Got a couple of wiring issues cleared up and still a couple of other "nagging" things going on with that but nothing major. Now for the STUPID part. Haven't really paid the engine much attention other than to check oil because it cranks and runs great with a hot battery in it. The other day when the electrical part was acting up my father-in-law was looking at it and talking about how much power it had and I said something to the effect that those Briggs 16hp V-twins are pretty strong engines and he pointed out that the sticker on the front of the engine breather said "Kohler Command 18" . Now the PO told me this is a 1641 which I thought had the Briggs 16hp in it and I never really paid it much mind until now. I haven't gone back to look at it to get a serial number off of it yet (it's parked up in my Dad's tractor shed up the road from the house) but now I'm wondering if he gave me the wrong model number or if it actually came with this engine or am I totally confused here ??????

Tim H.

[SWilliams]

What was the wiring problem?

With an 18 Kohler in it that tractor is probably an 1863. The only difference between them was the decals and the Kohler 18 instead of the Briggs and a minor wiring change due to the engine differences.

I have both, the 1641 is currently torn down. The 1863 now has a 22 HP Kohler in it. The 18 sets under the bench.

[Binder_Finder]

Post the kind code/serial # off the id plate, we can then tell you exactly what you have and when it was built. The 54" deck is larger than you would typically get with a 1641. Usually had a 44GT or 46" hi-vac deck for use with a bagger. You probably have an 1863 with 1641 side panels- not a bad problem to have!

[vince_o]

Tim

I got your email, just bring it up here and let me look at it.

[mrbrown]

Post the kind code/serial # off the id plate, we can then tell you exactly what you have and when it was built. The 54" deck is larger than you would typically get with a 1641. Usually had a 44GT or 46" hi-vac deck for use with a bagger. You probably have an 1863 with 1641 side panels- not a bad problem to have!

Hello, hate to highjack this thread,but what can you tell me about this mag18 spec#24585 ser# 1933902136, crank dia. ?x? date ?Thanks Mike

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Tim

I got your email, just bring it up here and let me look at it.

If the money is right I'll get it rollin tomorrow afternoon Vince . Naw, I went up to the shed last night to look at the serial number and that's when I remembered I can't see didley without my glasses . I'll get some info tonight hopefully .

Tim H.

PS. I'm gettin really attached to this thing, it's got POWER to spare even with the 54" deck, my oldest son kept it at his house while I repaired his LT1042. Said he wanted his 1042 back cause he felt like he was cutting the yard with his Pick-up. I even offered to let him keep it and sell the 1042 and he turned me down............. as Uncle Jed used to say, "one of these day's I'm gonna have to have a loooooooong talk with that boy".

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Okay, looks like Model # *145-664-100* Serial # *874396* Mfg. Date D045G2 . And on these newer CCC Cub Cadets or MTD Cub Cadets I don't have a clue about how to tell model or year from any of that. Also it has a Kohler Command 18 hp Engine, tilt steering, 54inch deck and hydralic lift on the deck.

Tim H.

Update: The Cub Cadet MTD website says it is a 1863 (1995 year model) according to model number and serial number. Wow, and the guy I bought it from said it was a 1641 with a briggs engine. To make matters more confusing he gave me the owners manual that he said came with it and it's for a ...................... wait for it ......................... a 1541. Hadn't really looked at the book until today. Guess I'm gonna have to start paying more attention to what I drag home.

[vince_o]

Good gosh Tim you have more updates than Bill Gates!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




I know your from Bama, I have another friend Cookie man thats all screwed up, hes a green guy. Come to think of it I have more green friends in Bama than I do cubbers!

[SWilliams]

Well if you want to really have fun the 1541 really was the 1863 !!! The only difference was the hydro unit itself and a couple lines. the 1541 and 1535 were both powered by Kohler "15"* HP engines just like the 1863 was. BUT Kohler didn't actually make a 15 HP engine like that. What they did was take the 18 HP and put a carb on it with a smaller main jet to drop the engine to 15 HP. So if you had a 1541 all you needed to do to make it an 18 was to replace the main jet in the carb.

Then they changed engines over for the updated series and both of the 15 hp were dropped and the 1440 and 1641 took their places. The 1440 was a 14 HP Briggs with manual lift, the 1641 was 16 hp Briggs and hydro lift. The earlier 1861/62 models were renamed to 1863/64. The later Cyclops units all used the same hydro unit unless you had a SGT.

Another minor item. There actually is no real service manual for the Cyclops models built from 1995 - the end of the series! They only released a couple of updates about the changed parts (Hydro and linkage ON the hydro is different) Also some pieces are different, IE: the headlights could be either two sealed beams behind the plastic (1st version) Then two bulbs with a reflector (2nd version) then they went back to the twin sealed beams for the last batch and some of the SGTs !

Oh and the difference between an 1861/62 and the 1863/64 ? The second numbers have power steering ! Which if you find a blower for yours you will wish for after the first time you run it!!

[Farmallgray]

Just a couple points of clarification to Steve's post. The 1861 and 1862 used Magnum engines while the 1863 and 1864 used Command engines.
Most of the second series Cyclops models used the newer style hydro pump except the ones with power steering. Those models (the 1864 and the Supers)
still used the old Sunstrand hydro.

Other differences from the first to second series was the addition of the high arch front axle and the larger pto clutch.

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Thanks to all of y'all for the good info, even Vince . Hey Steve, probably won't ever worry about that power steering blower issue I'm a liitle too far South of the Mason Dixon to get much of that white stuff thankfully. After I have cut with this one a few times it may have found a permanent home, I will just have to trim off some lower limbs on some of the shade trees.

Tim H.